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: Re: LUG: polyphasic sleep
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: Alexander Ray <alexjray.ncsu@gmail.[redacted]>
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: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:23:51 -0400
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Me! I'm going to give it a shot, but I might end up w/ more just sleep
deprivation than anything else. I'm shortening my normal (monophasic)
sleep duration to 6 hours for now and taking 20 min naps during the
day.
More one this when I can get a more formal schedule (i.e. once classes start)
~Alex
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Brian Cottingham<spiffytech@gmail.[redacted]> wrote:
> Well, jvogel has convinced me. Looks like I'll be spending the next week or
> two adapting to a the Everyman sleep schedule. Anybody feel like joining me?
>
> -Brian
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Jonathan Vogel <jonathan@friedpancakes.[redacted]>
> wrote:
>>
>> I agree that Pavlina has some really great info, but also the person who
>> invented the polyphasic sleep schedule also gives some decent information.
>> �Information on polyphasic sleep is kinda scattered all over.
>>
>> http://www.puredoxyk.com/
>>
>> I have her book too, Ubersleep, if anyone's interested. �Her book really
>> helps give a good understanding of the entire process.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> Brian Cottingham wrote:
>>>
>>> It's hardly a legitimate scientific journal, but do read the journal of
>>> Steve Pavlina's experiment with polyphasic sleep
>>> (http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/). He went with
>>> it for nine months and suffered no adverse physiological effects. It's
>>> probably the most informative work on polyphasic sleeping you're going to
>>> find, and a good read too.
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Alex <akdom2001@gmail.[redacted]
>>> <mailto:akdom2001@gmail.[redacted]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> � �That's interesting, do you know what journals the polyphasic sleep
>>> � �studies were done in? �I'd be interested in reading them.
>>>
>>> � �On the sleep cycle time: you are right about the 1.5 hour sleep
>>> � �cycle as far as I remember. �I got thrown off because my natural
>>> � �sleep period is 3 hours (this was found through the "natural
>>> � �length" of a full nap and the sleep time if I decide to "go back
>>> � �to sleep" on a weekend).
>>>
>>>
>>> � �On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Vogel
>>> � �<jonathan@friedpancakes.[redacted] <mailto:jonathan@friedpancakes.[redacted]>>
>>> � �wrote:
>>>
>>> � � � �It's interesting you have determined that as my research has
>>> � � � �shown me a normal person's complete sleep cycle is 1.5 hours
>>> � � � �in which case 3 hours would be two full cycles.
>>>
>>> � � � �I believe you are misunderstanding the point of polyphasic
>>> � � � �sleep. �It doesn't work out of the box and actual has a
>>> � � � �difficult adaptation process. �This is because you must train
>>> � � � �both your brain and body to compress that 1.5 hour sleep cycle
>>> � � � �into something smaller which has been (through
>>> � � � �experimentation) determined to be 20 minutes (on the money).
>>> � � � � Besides people with narcolepsy, monophasic sleepers need
>>> � � � �about 60 minutes to hit REM sleep. �A polyphasic sleeper on
>>> � � � �the other hand, hits REM sleep within 1-2 minutes. �A lot of
>>> � � � �people don't believe me, but there have been research studies
>>> � � � �that show this. �I often experience vivid dreams during my
>>> � � � �naps. �I never used to remember dreams very much before.
>>> � � � �Also to answer your question about why most people sleep
>>> � � � �monophasically. �I'm pretty sure that's just because it is
>>> � � � �natural. �It makes sense, doesn't it? �Especially in a world
>>> � � � �like today. �Polyphasic sleep is *not* practical long-term and
>>> � � � �there are no only a few documented cases of it lasting in
>>> � � � �excess of years (mind you the concept of polyphasic sleep is
>>> � � � �fairly new).
>>>
>>> � � � �The 1.5 still holds true for Everyman as the Everyman 'core'
>>> � � � �sleep is always in multiples of 1.5 hours (1.5, 3, or 4.5).
>>> � � � � Where 20 minute naps fulfill the remaining multiples of 1.5
>>> � � � �hours to get 7.5 hours of sleep. �Uberman eliminates the core
>>> � � � �sleep and only consists of 20 min naps. �*Note to everyone:
>>> � � � �*If you read anything about the 'Dymaxion' schedule online,
>>> � � � �listen to me and ignore it now--it doesn't work. �Trust me.
>>>
>>> � � � �I hope that sheds some light on the subject.
>>>
>>> � � � �Jonathan
>>>
>>> � � � �Alex wrote:
>>>
>>> � � � � � �Honestly, my experience with sleep is that I feel most
>>> � � � � � �rested and conscious with the longest single stretch of
>>> � � � � � �sleep possible. �Though I applaud some people's choice to
>>> � � � � � �be test subjects in this regard (thus pushing forward our
>>> � � � � � �understanding of sleep) I would like to just throw out a
>>> � � � � � �warning:
>>>
>>> � � � � � �Given _my_ current understanding of sleep, 20 minute sleep
>>> � � � � � �segments won't bring the same benefit as sleep periods
>>> � � � � � �broken into something which fits cleanly with your natural
>>> � � � � � �full sleep cycle (mine is almost exactly 3 hours). �20
>>> � � � � � �minute sleep periods don't allow for the full depth of
>>> � � � � � �sleep that a full cycle will, which as far as I remember
>>> � � � � � �translates into significantly reduced rejuvenational
>>> � � � � � �benefits from sleep. �Do your own research, but just keep
>>> � � � � � �in mind that there _are_ reasons most everyone sleeps
>>> � � � � � �during one single period....
>>>
>>> � � � � � �Also, I'd be curious to hear the experiences of those who
>>> � � � � � �actually do try to pull of polyphasic sleep for more than
>>> � � � � � �14 months.
>>>
>>> � � � � � �~Alex Kesling
>>>
>>> � � � � � �On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Jonathan Vogel
>>> � � � � � �<jonathan@friedpancakes.[redacted]
>>> � � � � � �<mailto:jonathan@friedpancakes.[redacted]>
>>> � � � � � �<mailto:jonathan@friedpancakes.[redacted]
>>> � � � � � �<mailto:jonathan@friedpancakes.[redacted]>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � For those who don't know, I'm an adapted polyphaser. �I
>>> � � � � � �have been
>>> � � � � � � � on the Everyman (3 hour core, 3x20 min naps) schedule
>>> � � � � � �for almost 3
>>> � � � � � � � months now. �I intend to hold this schedule through at
>>> � � � � � �least the
>>> � � � � � � � fall semester.
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � You can find me on on freenode/#ncsulug (jvogel) if you
>>> � � � � � �have any
>>> � � � � � � � questions. �There is also an active polyphasic sleep
>>> � � � � � �IRC channel
>>> � � � � � � � #polyphasers which you can find on freenode.
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � Although I haven't been to a lug meeting, I'd be happy
>>> � � � � � �to go to
>>> � � � � � � � one to answer any questions about my
>>> � � � � � �experience/knowledge on
>>> � � � � � � � polyphasic sleep.
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � @ Brian: The everyman schedule is fairly flexible, if
>>> � � � � � �you'd like
>>> � � � � � � � to talk about it more on IRC just let me know.
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � ~ Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � Alexander Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � � � Interesting topic that's come up (at least for me)
>>> � � � � � �online, in
>>> � � � � � � � � � Wired
>>> � � � � � � � � � Magazine, at the most recent BarCamp RDU and most
>>> � � � � � �recently in IRC.
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � � � Polyphasic sleep is in a nutshell, breaking up your
>>> � � � � � �sleep
>>> � � � � � � � � � schedule so
>>> � � � � � � � � � you sleep for shorter periods more often (as
>>> � � � � � �opposed to one huge
>>> � � � � � � � � � stretch per day).
>>> � � � � � � � � � The end goal is that you sleep LESS overall time
>>> � � � � � �than you
>>> � � � � � � � � � would in one shot.
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � � � http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � � � I'm definitely interested in trying a Month-long sleep
>>> � � � � � � � � � experiment on
>>> � � � � � � � � � myself sometime during the spring semester (no way
>>> � � � � � �that'd work w/
>>> � � � � � � � � � marching band in the fall semester).
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � � � Is there any other interest in the group for doing
>>> � � � � � �something
>>> � � � � � � � � � on this?
>>> � � � � � � � � � We could definitely have a talk/session on
>>> � � � � � �polyphasic sleep
>>> � � � � � � � � � and what
>>> � � � � � � � � � resources there are currently out there as well as
>>> � � � � � �what people
>>> � � � � � � � � � have
>>> � � � � � � � � � already found.
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � � � ~Alex
>>>
>>>
>>>
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