Re: LUG: Student Email - Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:53:52 -0500

Subject : Re: LUG: Student Email

From : Marhn Harvey Fullmer <mhfullme@unity.ncsu.[redacted]>

Date : Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:53:52 -0500

HI,

I tend to agree that providing explicit management and attempting to
provide clear (automated) policies to tell the users "no unlimited" is
necessary when interfacing real world with systems. These are
fundamentally control loop problems & harder than it appears on surface.
The problem is that languages are imprecise & not all bases can be covered
unless you say both "no other" & "other" in what can eventually be shown
as contradictory fashion by enough "gedanken". ("thought experiments - as
I discovered Einstein long ago liked to play while allegedly working as a
postal clerk.).

As an example, equivalent to the famous "RFC1149 - Standard for the
transmission of IP datagrams on avia" & others using animals to carry IP
packets, someone wrote a Firefox plug-in to use gmail as a file system.

http://lifehacker.com/software/gmail/store-files-with-gmail-file-space-141833.php

This was possibly before Google came out with file services. I suspect
Google's TOS (Terms Of Service) generally says that they can tell you not
to do that (or anything else, for that matter w/lawyer-ese) same as most
ISPs gravitated towards despite people's funny ideas about unlimited
bandwidth offers, <grin>.

tnx,
Marhn Fullmer
Manager, Newtorking Laboratories
Computer Science Dept

On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Richard Costello wrote:

> Jack,
> More space is a desire and curse.
> Users have to know there are limitations, otherwise you will never have a
> enough money in your budget to accommodate the "more space" addiction. Users
> have to clean up and archive their data. Manage the space requirements.
> Insurance companies have found it cheaper to pay HIPPA fines then
> accommodate unlimited space requests.
> When you think about, that is a smart strategy.
> Bottom Line: Manage the space requirements & requests prudently AND have the
> end users manage their data storage via archiving and purging.
>
> Richard
>
> Richard Costello
> IT Manager
> NC Public Staff utilities Commission
> (XXX) 733-0892
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-owner@lists.ncsu.[redacted] [mailto:lug-owner@lists.ncsu.[redacted]] On Behalf
> Of Jack Neely
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:15 PM
> To: lug@lists.ncsu.[redacted]
> Subject: Re: LUG: Student Email
>
> Folks,
>
> Both of these bits are pretty good...and valuable. Please stick them up
> on the student email initiative forum so they will make a difference.
> Please.... :-)
>
> The request for more space is the most common thing. More space is
> coming. (The OIT re-org and email politics have delayed things
> horridly.) I'm working on projects related to getting upgraded cyrus
> servers in production that will have more space...so no matter what
> direction we go that is something heavily on our minds.
>
> Jack
> --
> Jack Neely <jjneely@ncsu.[redacted]>
> Linux Czar, OIT Campus Linux Services
> Office of Information Technology, NC State University
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