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: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:27:52 -0500
The Lug Digest
Volume 1 : Issue 304 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
201302/8 : Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
Barry Peddycord III <bwpeddyc@ncsu.[redacted]>
201302/9 : Re: Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
John Turner <jmturne2@ncsu.[redacted]>
201302/10 : Re: Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
Michael Marley <michael@michaelmarley.[redacted]>
201302/11 : Re: Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
Kristopher Tesh <kitesh@ncsu.[redacted]>
201302/12 : Re: Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
Michael Marley <michael@michaelmarley.[redacted]>
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:09:56 -0500
From: Barry Peddycord III <bwpeddyc@ncsu.[redacted]>
To: lug@lists.ncsu.[redacted]
Subject: Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
Message-ID: <5119B284.7010406@ncsu.[redacted]>
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Hai Lugz - long e-mail inbound:
So after our second tech session held in Hunt Library, we have
discovered three issues related to meeting in Hunt.
1. Wireless in Hunt is less than optimal. It's already pretty
low-quality thanks to Aruba, but in order to get the library opened
ASAP, there are less routers than there would need to be to support
the library at full capacity. I was not able to maintain a connection
long enough to even tell the other folks about the connection in IRC.
2. Some of the monitors work pretty well, others don't. In 4411, the
VGA port doesn't actually seem to be connected to anything, so there
was no display even for an off-line event. In the other rooms on the
3rd floor, that's not an issue. There is "wireless connectivity" to
the monitors, but it's Windows/Mac only, which is kind of
disappointing considering the engineering demographic.
3. Setting up google hangouts is tricky. We should figure out how to
set them up where people can see them reliably on the LUG G+ page
(http://bit.ly/lugplus), and save them to Youtube. We can learn this
from Trilug, as they've been doing this for the last few meetings.
***
Part of the reason for putting our events in Hunt rather than
reserving a classroom was for another three reasons:
1. Parking is better on Centennial than Main. Period.
2. The building liaisons don't like giving us rooms in the Engineering
buildings irrespective of whether or not we get our requests approved
by Registration and Records.
3. Most importantly, the best resource afforded to us by Hunt library
is foot traffic. By having people able to come by our room to see what
we are doing, this is the most effective form of advertising, since we
have a very open door policy. Ideally our meetings would be held in
the fishbowl, and perhaps next semester, we can get the fishbowl on
our usual biweekly schedule.
***
In light of this, I wanted to put this up as the first serious
discussion topic for the list. We have two options I can think of, but
I'm happy to hear the thoughts from the rest of the group.
1. Continue experimenting with meetings in Hunt. This would require us
to have a backup internet source (preferably someone with tethering
for Internets) and for folks who can bring VGA cables to do so so that
we can jack our computers directly into the monitors.
2. Attempt to reserve a room on main campus like we always do to hold
us for the rest of the semester.
The Hack Day will still be held in the Fishbowl since I was able to
get the room reserved all day for it, and quite frankly, before
abandoned Hunt entirely, I would like to see how that goes. So could I
get a feel for what the group wants to do before I go and try to
reserve a room for the rest of the semester.
***
tl;dr We had a bad meeting and wireless hasn't been getting any
better. How do we proceed?
~ Barry
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 01:06:39 -0500
From: John Turner <jmturne2@ncsu.[redacted]>
To: lug@lists.ncsu.[redacted]
Subject: Re: Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
Message-ID: <CAGBttuHhr0mneERPd=ZwJo_zU6h8mZuPosw7GhHuJtgYEFza6A@mail.gmail.[redacted]>
Barry,
"The building liaisons don't like giving us rooms in the Engineering buildings
irrespective of whether or not we get our requests approved by Registration
and Records."
If you want to reserve the EB II bridge, I believe you can do it
through Melissa
Puryear in the Dean's Office.
John Turner
---
Open Hardware Makerspace (OHM)
http://clubs.ncsu.edu/ohm/
ohm.ncsu@gmail.[redacted]
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Barry Peddycord III <bwpeddyc@ncsu.[redacted]>wrote:
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> Hai Lugz - long e-mail inbound:
>
> So after our second tech session held in Hunt Library, we have
> discovered three issues related to meeting in Hunt.
>
> 1. Wireless in Hunt is less than optimal. It's already pretty
> low-quality thanks to Aruba, but in order to get the library opened
> ASAP, there are less routers than there would need to be to support
> the library at full capacity. I was not able to maintain a connection
> long enough to even tell the other folks about the connection in IRC.
>
> 2. Some of the monitors work pretty well, others don't. In 4411, the
> VGA port doesn't actually seem to be connected to anything, so there
> was no display even for an off-line event. In the other rooms on the
> 3rd floor, that's not an issue. There is "wireless connectivity" to
> the monitors, but it's Windows/Mac only, which is kind of
> disappointing considering the engineering demographic.
>
> 3. Setting up google hangouts is tricky. We should figure out how to
> set them up where people can see them reliably on the LUG G+ page
> (http://bit.ly/lugplus), and save them to Youtube. We can learn this
> from Trilug, as they've been doing this for the last few meetings.
>
> ***
>
> Part of the reason for putting our events in Hunt rather than
> reserving a classroom was for another three reasons:
>
> 1. Parking is better on Centennial than Main. Period.
>
> 2. The building liaisons don't like giving us rooms in the Engineering
> buildings irrespective of whether or not we get our requests approved
> by Registration and Records.
>
> 3. Most importantly, the best resource afforded to us by Hunt library
> is foot traffic. By having people able to come by our room to see what
> we are doing, this is the most effective form of advertising, since we
> have a very open door policy. Ideally our meetings would be held in
> the fishbowl, and perhaps next semester, we can get the fishbowl on
> our usual biweekly schedule.
>
> ***
>
> In light of this, I wanted to put this up as the first serious
> discussion topic for the list. We have two options I can think of, but
> I'm happy to hear the thoughts from the rest of the group.
>
> 1. Continue experimenting with meetings in Hunt. This would require us
> to have a backup internet source (preferably someone with tethering
> for Internets) and for folks who can bring VGA cables to do so so that
> we can jack our computers directly into the monitors.
>
> 2. Attempt to reserve a room on main campus like we always do to hold
> us for the rest of the semester.
>
> The Hack Day will still be held in the Fishbowl since I was able to
> get the room reserved all day for it, and quite frankly, before
> abandoned Hunt entirely, I would like to see how that goes. So could I
> get a feel for what the group wants to do before I go and try to
> reserve a room for the rest of the semester.
>
> ***
>
> tl;dr We had a bad meeting and wireless hasn't been getting any
> better. How do we proceed?
>
> ~ Barry
>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:33:43 -0500
From: Michael Marley <michael@michaelmarley.[redacted]>
To: lug@lists.ncsu.[redacted]
Subject: Re: Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
Message-ID: <511A2897.2020608@michaelmarley.[redacted]>
I think we should switch to having meetings somewhere else for this
semester. The monitor problem can be solved easily enough with the VGA
cables, but the wireless is just too crappy to use. Sha`Bren's phone
worked very well last night, but might not work as well if we were in a
room that had no windows (glass windows, not the operating system ;)).
Wireless in many of the buildings on Main Campus (including but not
limited to SAS, Riddick, and Mann) seems to be much more reliable.
Plus, these rooms also have a computer in them which can be used to
provide wireless with another router that we can use for hack days.
These rooms also have more tables and chairs, so everyone can have a
position with a desk on which to put a laptop.
Michael
On 02/11/2013 10:09 PM, Barry Peddycord III wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hai Lugz - long e-mail inbound:
>
> So after our second tech session held in Hunt Library, we have
> discovered three issues related to meeting in Hunt.
>
> 1. Wireless in Hunt is less than optimal. It's already pretty
> low-quality thanks to Aruba, but in order to get the library opened
> ASAP, there are less routers than there would need to be to support
> the library at full capacity. I was not able to maintain a connection
> long enough to even tell the other folks about the connection in IRC.
>
> 2. Some of the monitors work pretty well, others don't. In 4411, the
> VGA port doesn't actually seem to be connected to anything, so there
> was no display even for an off-line event. In the other rooms on the
> 3rd floor, that's not an issue. There is "wireless connectivity" to
> the monitors, but it's Windows/Mac only, which is kind of
> disappointing considering the engineering demographic.
>
> 3. Setting up google hangouts is tricky. We should figure out how to
> set them up where people can see them reliably on the LUG G+ page
> (http://bit.ly/lugplus), and save them to Youtube. We can learn this
> from Trilug, as they've been doing this for the last few meetings.
>
> ***
>
> Part of the reason for putting our events in Hunt rather than
> reserving a classroom was for another three reasons:
>
> 1. Parking is better on Centennial than Main. Period.
>
> 2. The building liaisons don't like giving us rooms in the Engineering
> buildings irrespective of whether or not we get our requests approved
> by Registration and Records.
>
> 3. Most importantly, the best resource afforded to us by Hunt library
> is foot traffic. By having people able to come by our room to see what
> we are doing, this is the most effective form of advertising, since we
> have a very open door policy. Ideally our meetings would be held in
> the fishbowl, and perhaps next semester, we can get the fishbowl on
> our usual biweekly schedule.
>
> ***
>
> In light of this, I wanted to put this up as the first serious
> discussion topic for the list. We have two options I can think of, but
> I'm happy to hear the thoughts from the rest of the group.
>
> 1. Continue experimenting with meetings in Hunt. This would require us
> to have a backup internet source (preferably someone with tethering
> for Internets) and for folks who can bring VGA cables to do so so that
> we can jack our computers directly into the monitors.
>
> 2. Attempt to reserve a room on main campus like we always do to hold
> us for the rest of the semester.
>
> The Hack Day will still be held in the Fishbowl since I was able to
> get the room reserved all day for it, and quite frankly, before
> abandoned Hunt entirely, I would like to see how that goes. So could I
> get a feel for what the group wants to do before I go and try to
> reserve a room for the rest of the semester.
>
> ***
>
> tl;dr We had a bad meeting and wireless hasn't been getting any
> better. How do we proceed?
>
> ~ Barry
>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:19:34 -0500
From: Kristopher Tesh <kitesh@ncsu.[redacted]>
To: lug@lists.ncsu.[redacted]
Subject: Re: Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
Message-ID: <CAGPV_mE8SkTgz7rO6NH+fJtPnrmVnC-g_K=d-3nUhrP=+UEc1g@mail.gmail.[redacted]>
I understand the desire for foot traffic and easy parking: an
organization's first duty is self preservation. Beyond serving existing
members, the next step there is attracting new ones. Here are my
suggestions in order of likelihood to work vs. reliance on strangers:
1. Produce signal strength map of the new library (I haven't seen it since
the book vault was an empty hole. How is it?). See if any meeting spaces
provide sufficient coverage. This map may be used to encourage faster WiFi
deployment (Technician Hyperbole Article: Stone-Age library starves
students of connectivity).
2. Get rooms with resources like RF-transparent windows, or computers whose
own connection can be piggybacked. This and the above are up to being able
to reserve picked rooms. Can that be done?
3. Gently modify existing infrastructure. Perhaps a WiFi bridge to parts of
EB3 with adequate connectivity can be managed. You probably shouldn't put a
metal colander on an NCSU router for this goal.
4. Piles of helldesk tickets. � Weak signal in xxx room in Hunt library.�
Probably only helps if this is acknowledged as a problem.
5. Other rooms. Boo.
Good luck,
-Kris
On Feb 12, 2013 12:35 PM, "Michael Marley" <michael@michaelmarley.[redacted]>
wrote:
> I think we should switch to having meetings somewhere else for this
> semester. The monitor problem can be solved easily enough with the VGA
> cables, but the wireless is just too crappy to use. Sha`Bren's phone
> worked very well last night, but might not work as well if we were in a
> room that had no windows (glass windows, not the operating system ;)).
> Wireless in many of the buildings on Main Campus (including but not
> limited to SAS, Riddick, and Mann) seems to be much more reliable. Plus,
> these rooms also have a computer in them which can be used to provide
> wireless with another router that we can use for hack days. These rooms
> also have more tables and chairs, so everyone can have a position with a
> desk on which to put a laptop.
>
> Michael
>
> On 02/11/2013 10:09 PM, Barry Peddycord III wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hai Lugz - long e-mail inbound:
>>
>> So after our second tech session held in Hunt Library, we have
>> discovered three issues related to meeting in Hunt.
>>
>> 1. Wireless in Hunt is less than optimal. It's already pretty
>> low-quality thanks to Aruba, but in order to get the library opened
>> ASAP, there are less routers than there would need to be to support
>> the library at full capacity. I was not able to maintain a connection
>> long enough to even tell the other folks about the connection in IRC.
>>
>> 2. Some of the monitors work pretty well, others don't. In 4411, the
>> VGA port doesn't actually seem to be connected to anything, so there
>> was no display even for an off-line event. In the other rooms on the
>> 3rd floor, that's not an issue. There is "wireless connectivity" to
>> the monitors, but it's Windows/Mac only, which is kind of
>> disappointing considering the engineering demographic.
>>
>> 3. Setting up google hangouts is tricky. We should figure out how to
>> set them up where people can see them reliably on the LUG G+ page
>> (http://bit.ly/lugplus), and save them to Youtube. We can learn this
>> from Trilug, as they've been doing this for the last few meetings.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Part of the reason for putting our events in Hunt rather than
>> reserving a classroom was for another three reasons:
>>
>> 1. Parking is better on Centennial than Main. Period.
>>
>> 2. The building liaisons don't like giving us rooms in the Engineering
>> buildings irrespective of whether or not we get our requests approved
>> by Registration and Records.
>>
>> 3. Most importantly, the best resource afforded to us by Hunt library
>> is foot traffic. By having people able to come by our room to see what
>> we are doing, this is the most effective form of advertising, since we
>> have a very open door policy. Ideally our meetings would be held in
>> the fishbowl, and perhaps next semester, we can get the fishbowl on
>> our usual biweekly schedule.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> In light of this, I wanted to put this up as the first serious
>> discussion topic for the list. We have two options I can think of, but
>> I'm happy to hear the thoughts from the rest of the group.
>>
>> 1. Continue experimenting with meetings in Hunt. This would require us
>> to have a backup internet source (preferably someone with tethering
>> for Internets) and for folks who can bring VGA cables to do so so that
>> we can jack our computers directly into the monitors.
>>
>> 2. Attempt to reserve a room on main campus like we always do to hold
>> us for the rest of the semester.
>>
>> The Hack Day will still be held in the Fishbowl since I was able to
>> get the room reserved all day for it, and quite frankly, before
>> abandoned Hunt entirely, I would like to see how that goes. So could I
>> get a feel for what the group wants to do before I go and try to
>> reserve a room for the rest of the semester.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> tl;dr We had a bad meeting and wireless hasn't been getting any
>> better. How do we proceed?
>>
>> ~ Barry
>>
>>
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:27:47 -0500
From: Michael Marley <michael@michaelmarley.[redacted]>
To: lug@lists.ncsu.[redacted]
Subject: Re: Lightning Talks Post-Mortem
Message-ID: <511A3543.3000808@michaelmarley.[redacted]>
The main problem here isn't signal strength (the strength of the signal
is just fine.) The problem is that the Aruba WAPs seem to have trouble
with more than a few clients connecting to them at once, which is
intensified by the lack of WAPs and the high number of people trying to
connect to them. The best way that NCSU can directly mitigate the
problem is to install more WAPs, however they should definitely also
tell Aruba Networks to get its crap together.
Michael
On 02/12/2013 07:19 AM, Kristopher Tesh wrote:
>
> I understand the desire for foot traffic and easy parking: an
> organization's first duty is self preservation. Beyond serving
> existing members, the next step there is attracting new ones. Here are
> my suggestions in order of likelihood to work vs. reliance on strangers:
>
> 1. Produce signal strength map of the new library (I haven't seen it
> since the book vault was an empty hole. How is it?). See if any
> meeting spaces provide sufficient coverage. This map may be used to
> encourage faster WiFi deployment (Technician Hyperbole Article:
> Stone-Age library starves students of connectivity).
>
> 2. Get rooms with resources like RF-transparent windows, or computers
> whose own connection can be piggybacked. This and the above are up to
> being able to reserve picked rooms. Can that be done?
>
> 3. Gently modify existing infrastructure. Perhaps a WiFi bridge to
> parts of EB3 with adequate connectivity can be managed. You probably
> shouldn't put a metal colander on an NCSU router for this goal.
>
> 4. Piles of helldesk tickets. � Weak signal in xxx room in Hunt
> library.� Probably only helps if this is acknowledged as a problem.
>
> 5. Other rooms. Boo.
>
> Good luck,
>
> -Kris
>
> On Feb 12, 2013 12:35 PM, "Michael Marley" <michael@michaelmarley.[redacted]
> <mailto:michael@michaelmarley.[redacted]>> wrote:
>
> I think we should switch to having meetings somewhere else for
> this semester. The monitor problem can be solved easily enough
> with the VGA cables, but the wireless is just too crappy to use.
> Sha`Bren's phone worked very well last night, but might not work
> as well if we were in a room that had no windows (glass windows,
> not the operating system ;)). Wireless in many of the buildings
> on Main Campus (including but not limited to SAS, Riddick, and
> Mann) seems to be much more reliable. Plus, these rooms also have
> a computer in them which can be used to provide wireless with
> another router that we can use for hack days. These rooms also
> have more tables and chairs, so everyone can have a position with
> a desk on which to put a laptop.
>
> Michael
>
> On 02/11/2013 10:09 PM, Barry Peddycord III wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hai Lugz - long e-mail inbound:
>
> So after our second tech session held in Hunt Library, we have
> discovered three issues related to meeting in Hunt.
>
> 1. Wireless in Hunt is less than optimal. It's already pretty
> low-quality thanks to Aruba, but in order to get the library
> opened
> ASAP, there are less routers than there would need to be to
> support
> the library at full capacity. I was not able to maintain a
> connection
> long enough to even tell the other folks about the connection
> in IRC.
>
> 2. Some of the monitors work pretty well, others don't. In
> 4411, the
> VGA port doesn't actually seem to be connected to anything, so
> there
> was no display even for an off-line event. In the other rooms
> on the
> 3rd floor, that's not an issue. There is "wireless
> connectivity" to
> the monitors, but it's Windows/Mac only, which is kind of
> disappointing considering the engineering demographic.
>
> 3. Setting up google hangouts is tricky. We should figure out
> how to
> set them up where people can see them reliably on the LUG G+ page
> (http://bit.ly/lugplus), and save them to Youtube. We can
> learn this
> from Trilug, as they've been doing this for the last few meetings.
>
> ***
>
> Part of the reason for putting our events in Hunt rather than
> reserving a classroom was for another three reasons:
>
> 1. Parking is better on Centennial than Main. Period.
>
> 2. The building liaisons don't like giving us rooms in the
> Engineering
> buildings irrespective of whether or not we get our requests
> approved
> by Registration and Records.
>
> 3. Most importantly, the best resource afforded to us by Hunt
> library
> is foot traffic. By having people able to come by our room to
> see what
> we are doing, this is the most effective form of advertising,
> since we
> have a very open door policy. Ideally our meetings would be
> held in
> the fishbowl, and perhaps next semester, we can get the
> fishbowl on
> our usual biweekly schedule.
>
> ***
>
> In light of this, I wanted to put this up as the first serious
> discussion topic for the list. We have two options I can think
> of, but
> I'm happy to hear the thoughts from the rest of the group.
>
> 1. Continue experimenting with meetings in Hunt. This would
> require us
> to have a backup internet source (preferably someone with
> tethering
> for Internets) and for folks who can bring VGA cables to do so
> so that
> we can jack our computers directly into the monitors.
>
> 2. Attempt to reserve a room on main campus like we always do
> to hold
> us for the rest of the semester.
>
> The Hack Day will still be held in the Fishbowl since I was
> able to
> get the room reserved all day for it, and quite frankly, before
> abandoned Hunt entirely, I would like to see how that goes. So
> could I
> get a feel for what the group wants to do before I go and try to
> reserve a room for the rest of the semester.
>
> ***
>
> tl;dr We had a bad meeting and wireless hasn't been getting any
> better. How do we proceed?
>
> ~ Barry
>
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